We are at the most remarkable time in history. We have more power and technology at our fingertips than all the generations that went before us. Let that sink in. If you haven't been finding cousins here, there's technology to do that. If you haven't been using your cell phone, your laptop, your tablet to do the genealogy research that clearly is up and ready for us, you're missing an opportunity. Dr. Gates gave us a wonderful series of miracles about what he found in his life that each of us can find right now, today, even while you're sitting here. So I encourage you to use that. We're going to talk about that technology. So good morning. My name is Judy Nimer Muhn, or Judy Nimer MOON, depending on your pronunciation. And I've been doing my genealogy since the age of 12. Don't ask me how old I am. Let's just say decades, OK? And when I started--and some of you were of a certain age like me, when genealogy at that time was letter writing with a self-addressed stamped envelope and waiting and waiting and praying that a courthouse clerk would write back to you or a church secretary would send you a document. And you didn't travel. Certainly our family didn't have money. And it was a very much more painful experience. Admittedly, though, I can say that because I have French Canadian ancestry, I can't even almost call myself a genealogist because that's like, way easy, because so many people before me had done so much work and actually knew where my people were from in Quebec. I grew up with the stories. But my Native American ancestors have oral traditions, so that was a little bit harder to document, albeit I had the oral traditions about our people. But my grandfather and my grandmother on the other side of the family, my dad's family, are from Germany and Poland, and we're still looking for some of their people. But the technology has helped me find a cousin in Poland--wait for it--in the village that my grandmother was born in. And they sent me pictures of her house that she was born in, all via technology. That is possible for you every day, every moment through a variety of tools. So let's talk a little bit about what your tools are. What we're going to talk about today is not only the reasons for using mobile technology. You heard some wonderful ones from Dr. Gates. He has some pretty key high-level people helping him, right? That doesn't mean you and I can't do that same thing. So I'm going to talk a lot about that. I gave on your handout, which, if you haven't downloaded it, it will be there for you, so don't worry. There are a variety of online tools that I've referenced there. There's so much more. How many of you have been going to some of the other technology workshops? Yeah. Because there's the Ancestry mobile app. They have their own workshop. And MyHeritage people have their own workshop. So every one of these apps I'm going to talk about today, I'm going to talk about from a beginner level. So how many of you kind of consider yourselves beginners? OK, so it's mostly going to be talking to you. For the rest of you, of course, I'm hoping that I'll give you some new tools that you either didn't know about or you didn't know the linkage or the use of. So we'll talk about more of that. There is a difference between a mobile app, which is those cute little icons that download to your phone or your tablet, and then there is what are called optimized, or adapted, pages so that when you go to a regular website, it formats itself so that it's smaller on your screen. They function in very similar ways. There are some limitations to the adaptive, or the sites that kind of adjust. So we'll talk a little bit about that and how the sites function and how they work with each other, and then we'll talk about some additional stuff I hope will help you. The apps and the online tools that we'll cover today, these are their little icons. And I got permission from all the companies to use them, because they knew I'd be talking about their stuff, so hey, they want you to buy it, right? So they didn't say no to me. They all gave me permission in writing within hours, so that was kind of fun. So these are the ones we're specifically going to talk about. I've created some video to show you how I walk through them. So I hope that will be helpful for you. Back in the day, when I went to the courthouse--see all this stuff? This is real. This is in my little office in my home. These are the kinds of notebooks and paperwork and all of that that I would haul to the courthouse. So I wasn't so bad that I had one of those big square boxes with the opening in the top, with the rollers on it. I wasn't that bad, but I always had some kind of tote bags, multiple tote bags on my shoulder. And this was pre-computer, so I had everything written down, because sure enough, I'd be on a census record and be going, "Huh, is that Uncle Edward's grandfather?" That kind of thing. So yeah, a collateral line, but I'd be in some kind of census record or something and see a family with our surname and wonder, "Well, how are they maybe connected to us?" Well, then I had all the notebooks so I could flip through everything. Massively--not only uncomfortable, but how many archives that you go to have stairways? Maybe didn't have elevators back in the day. Certainly I'm old enough to remember preadaptations to buildings to allow for elevators. So I'm hauling all this stuff up stairways, and I'm carrying heavy things from parking lots. It wasn't pretty. Let's just say that. So part of the reason that I'm talking about this today is because I still have seen people do this. I was at Fort Wayne, the Allen County Public Library, over the Christmas holiday. I had a couple of days where my husband was working and I wasn't, so I took the opportunity. Two ladies came in. I am not kidding you. I was going to take a picture and I thought, "That's embarrassing. I'm not doing that to them." Two big Rubbermaid boxes this big [POW!] on the table. And they had their laptops, right? I went over and I gently said, "You do know that there are mobile apps and there are online tools and all of that?" "Oh, no, we don't trust that stuff." God bless them. So they had these little rolly cart things, and they're carrying these rubber--oh, it was really fun. I felt sorry for them. But you know, that's what they wanted to do. Part of the benefit of having the apps, as well. I was in Fort Wayne, and I was doing research for clients as well as my own family. I had planned everything so well. So one of the apps we'll talk about is where you can put a research log of what you're going to be looking up and what you plan to do. Well, I'd organized so well that I ended up finishing on the last day I was in Fort Wayne. I still had two or three hours before I had to drive back to Detroit. And I thought, "Wow, [INAUDIBLE],, you know. I get to do something else," right? So, luckily, I had all my stuff between the computer and my phone. I could do more research in my [INAUDIBLE] two- to three-hour time frame. If I hadn't prepared in that way, I would have wasted two or three hours of really valuable research time. So just making a point. So one of the reasons, obviously, to do that--it's less to carry. Those of us that are of an age where it's getting a little hard sometimes, it's not so fun. But believe me, I don't see any 20-something doing that kind of toting, right? Because they know the benefits, so think about it. It's easier to find an answer because you can sort and search for things so much immensely faster. So think about that. You can also add to and upload your information so much faster so that when you get back home, you don't have stacks of paper to go through to now tabulate what you found. You're actually saving it right to your desktop. Now, the warning, the caveat that I'll offer, is that in my particular location--so the Oakland County courthouse that I use a lot for records does not allow me to bring anything with a camera into the building. So you have to double-check your local archives, repositories, courthouses, because since 9/11, since any number of security crises, they don't want you to have a camera in the building. So you can't even take your telephone in with you if it has a camera. So do check. I do know that in some counties, you can apply as a genealogist with a letter, old-time technology, to receive prior approval so that you can come to the courthouse with your tools. So do check that before you get into that. And then I'll also refer to the fact that there are copyright laws for everything. So please be sure that you know what the copyright law is around collecting and gathering documents, taking photographs, using items. If you're doing it for personal use, that's one thing. I'm a professional genealogist, so if I'm doing certain things that I'm using either for these presentations or classes that I do with clients, or something like that, I will not violate copyright law. So it might mean that I'll direct a client to a website, or I might encourage them through other tools. This is how you can get to this, but I can't share it with you because I'd be violating copyright on certain things. So be sure that you learn about that. Yes, admittedly, it's boring, copyright law, right? Judy Russell does wonderful things online, if you haven't either gone to one of her workshops. She's called "the Legal Genealogist," and she has a number of blog posts that speak about copyright and what kinds of things to be careful of, but then also what kinds of things you can use. So pay attention to that. So we talked about the difference between mobile apps, the cute little icons, versus the adapted pages. So this is just a list of how some of those look. Those of you that might be coming to the National Genealogical Society conference in May, it's in Michigan, and you're quite close to the Library of Michigan and the Archives of Michigan. Their website is adaptable to your cell, but it doesn't come up really well on your cell phone. It works better on a tablet or a laptop. But they're working on updating it, so that's coming. We're hoping that something will be at least in some frame of helpfulness by May. If you know about website changes and all of that, it's a time-consuming process. But for those of you that are coming to NGS, you have the opportunity to research at a remarkable place, so I hope you make some time for that. So these are just some of the sites that you can think about. So let's start first with the stuff that, certainly, if you don't have your ancestors' graves noted and you're trying to find them, BillionGraves and Find A Grave. Now, they are not identical. I'm going to show you an example of my grandfather, who I can find on Find A Grave; he doesn't show up on BillionGraves. So I would encourage you to think about and utilize both tools, because they might come up differently on the different sites. It's a very, very big difference, if you're looking for somebody, that they don't show up on one and then you just give up. Look at both. The Find A Grave, of course, if you haven't already used it--it's free, easy to use. BillionGraves, you can actually do an upgrade. Both of them use GPS technology to locate that grave and actually show you how to get there by car or whatever method. And they both have apps. BillionGraves, though, if you upgrade--so there's a fee, but it will actually tell you when you're standing at that, when you have that ancestor's grave located. It will tell you who's buried around them, which could be very valuable because, as we can imagine, a lot of our families buried each other together, bought a plot that maybe held eight graves, and so everybody that's in that area right close around them could be relatives. So it's always good to know that. So BillionGraves has that advantage. So something to think about. So this is what they actually look like when you pull them up on the websites. Pretty straightforward, very easy maneuverability. Let me show you how it looks in video version. Let's see how this works. So I actually recorded myself on my cell phone doing Find A Grave for my grandfather, so let's see how this works. Yup, there it goes. So that's the way it first appears. Typed in the name. It searches for it, finds it. You click on it, it opens it. Waiting. There we go; that's Grandpa and Grandma. And then I said, "Well, tell me how to get there." So then, using Google Maps, it actually takes me there. Pretty cool. So really, really simple technology. Really easy, really helpful. If you're from out of state and you find a grave, then obviously, it tells you how to get there from your hotel, so it's a marvelous use. Family tree creation apps. The advantage, for instance, here at the conference of having your family tree up on FamilySearch is that you get to find cousins here. That's just one of many linkages that FamilySearch has. A lot of these family tree-making tools have links with each other and with FamilySearch. So, very important to figure out what works for you. I'm going to give you this huge piece of advice. Put your family tree up anywhere and everywhere, especially if it's free. I found the only cousin to date that I've found on my daddy's side lives a half an hour from my home. I literally this morning was texting with her because we're going to meet up for dinner in the following week. I only found her because I posted my tree on the free part of MyHeritage, which is where she also did it. If I had just stayed on Ancestry--which I've been a member for years and love it, years and years, member--if I hadn't gone over to MyHeritage, where people can load things free, I never would have found her. I knew she was out there, right? I didn't know her name. I didn't know her married name. I knew that Grandpa's brother had children, so we're both related through our grandparents who were brothers. She is descended from the oldest; I'm descended from the youngest. She was the source of the only photograph of our fathers as young men with their parents. So we have the most beautiful black-and-white photograph of that whole family, with my grandfather, admittedly, being the more handsome one. I've already teased her about that. But I wouldn't have found her, half an hour from my house. So just because she posted on MyHeritage, and now we can link DNA among and between all of these sites. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying. OK, so Ancestry. Yeah, what can I say, right? I love them. They're a powerhouse. Yeah, there's issues once and again, but I so love them. I couldn't say enough about it. It's worth it. So what this is is a view from my--I just showed a screen shot. Many of you use yours on your laptop. This is what it looks like on my tablet. Here's what it looks like on my cell phone in landscape, and then here's what it looks like on my cell phone in portrait mode. So it's the exact same part of my family tree, just displayed in the different modes. So you can see--and I was talking with somebody earlier. When you get those wonderful little green leaves up, the inclination is, "Well, I want to go and see it." OK, admittedly, on your cell phone, if you have one of the older, smaller kind of platforms, it's not as easy to see and work with some of those green leaves. So sometimes using a tablet or your laptop or a PC is the easier way to go. But if I'm out at a library and a leaf pops up, you can bet I'm going to want to look at it, if I'm researching that family right then and there, because it might give me a clue or a hint of yet another record that oh, by the way, only exists at that library in paper or book form. So it's worth having the mobile technology even if you don't regularly use it because it's too small. So let me show you an example of how that actually works when I use it on a video. So what you'll see is that exact same family that are pictured in those screenshots. You'll see [INAUDIBLE] maneuvering with that family, this on my cell phone. So I have a Samsung 8, which is a little bit bigger sort of screen. So here's how that looks. So it's the exact same family. I'm maneuvering through and pushing buttons so that different parts--and then as it reloads, then the lines come back up. There's my great-grandfather, so, Edward. And then I clicked on one of his daughters because she had a leaf come up and I was researching on that part of the family. So then there she comes up, and I can see the hints up there. It's not the same woman, so then I back out. So very, very easy to maneuver even on my little Samsung phone. OK. Family Tree Maker. Wonderful technology, wonderful resource, really, really cool tool. All this is is a screenshot of the home page. I'm not going to show you a visual of that. But Family Tree Maker has syncing opportunities with Ancestry, as many of you--how many use Ancestry? Let's see that. OK. How many use Family Tree Maker? OK, awesome. It's great technology. I mean, it's just sort of a function of where you feel comfortable and how you like the printouts to look and different aspects of the syncing. If mine didn't sync with Ancestry and FamilySearch and all of that, I wouldn't be using it. I would have moved. But Family Tree Maker does that as well. Went through some ownership changes, some different things, but they're up and running and do some really great stuff. I've found that the printouts, the graphs, the reports within Family Tree Maker to be really lovely. So if you haven't looked at that, you might want to check them out while you're here. Findmypast, for those of us that have anybody from the British Isles. So they're very, very strong in those. Not that they don't have other records. They have wonderful other records. But the fact that if you do use them through their mobile technology use, through their app, then, again, while you're at an archive, you can get some really, really good resources and keep moving your information forward. So while I've got Scottish ancestors--and Scottish records are kind of a little bit different--the British Isles, the Ireland, the Wales, the England proper records are Findmypast's really strong point. And their linkage with the whole DNA thing and all of that is really quite fun. So I'm related to Justin Trudeau. Isn't he handsome? I love him. So he's my cousin through his Elliott family. His grandmother was an Elliott, as was my grandmother, and they were cousins. So I knew that family, and I have been in correspondence with Pierre Elliott Trudeau. Well, the mother of Justin Trudeau was Irish--well, her ancestry was Irish--and Findmypast documented his ancestry. When he was in Ireland, they actually handed him his information as part of their work. He was visiting as an official from Canada, but they were able to do research on his Irish family. Now I just want them to do me, do some help for me with these Elliotts, because they're making me crazy. So anyway, but really, really good work there. MyHeritage--like I said, I have another tree loaded there. They are worth loading your tree at. And their DNA linkages, so the comparison of the DNA data--if you've attended any of the DNA classes, you know that they each use different source groups. So your DNA comes up a little bit differently configured from Ancestry to My Heritage, etc. That doesn't mean either is wrong. They're using different source groups. I won't go into all the DNA, but if you've got the apps both on your phone, you can toggle back and forth between them and figure out which families they're referring to. I'm trying to find my grandfather on my dad's side. Came from a region in Poland, but we don't know anything beyond that, and they changed their name twice. So I've been doing DNA with everybody, because like I found my cousin only on MyHeritage, I'm hoping I'll find other cousins that know where we're from in Poland, and having these apps will give me the heads-up when that appears. So it's very important. RootsMagic is my personal favorite. I've been using RootsMagic for a number of years, from way back. There's a free version that you can get very, very easily and check it out for yourself. What I like about it is the way I can categorize my families and color-code them. They have some really great printouts. They sync with Ancestry. They sync with Find A Grave, with BillionGraves. They sync with newspapers, all of that kind of stuff, and it comes up in little graphics on the tree. So there's a little picture of what it looks like on a tablet and a cell phone, but it's a really, really great tool. So when I was in Allen County, I was using it and updating things as I found stuff, so I can keep it private. So there's lots of people that have issues about, "Oh, I'm not going to upload pictures and data and blah blah to Ancestry, because they'll use it." I don't know what that's about. You have your right to think that way. But I also use RootsMagic to store all my data because it's really important to me to have it on something that I control. We were talking earlier; one of us was talking about, she had somebody manipulate her FamilySearch tree. I don't want that happening to any of my stuff. And I don't want my stuff getting into somebody's hands and then they're claiming they did something. So I store it on RootsMagic and share it with my cousins. But for some people that like that privacy, it's nice to have your tree private that way, too. It's a really, really great tool. Now, I'm going to share about Evernote. How many of you might use Evernote? Oh, I'm glad to see that. Have you used it for genealogy? Yeah? So I discovered Evernote because in my business--so I'm a nonprofit consultant, and keeping track of multiple clients was what I was doing with Evernote. And it helps you to organize things into categories, sort of like notebooks. So I'll walk you through it, but the key was using it to do genealogy and creating research logs that then I physically could take to the archives with me. So let me show you how it's organized. So there's different pricing sort of things. The only reason I'm putting that out--because I'm not selling you Evernote; there's a free version. There's a function of how much space you get and what the features are that you can use, so that's why I'm just showing you this graphic. There's ways that you can lock your site down. There's ways that you can annotate PDFs, etc. So I've got the premium version because I use it now. In addition to my work in the nonprofit world, I use it now in the genealogy world a ton. So I want to have the most power at my fingertips. You can have multiple accounts. It depends. It's based on your email address. So because I teach at a university, because I'm a nonprofit consultant with my own website, because I'm a genealogist with my own website, I have different email addresses. So I have Evernote in different versions, and I get it free because I'm a university professor on that one. So I use it for student--my lecture planning and student connections and all of that. So there's a variety of ways you can use it, but if you aren't using it for genealogy and you learned about it through your business or your work environment, use it in genealogy. It is very valuable. So let me take you through. This is just the screen for the quick start. So here's how my page looks for genealogy. So you can see--actually, I've even changed the address. So up here, it's got my old AOL address. God, does that label me as an old woman or what, right? Anyway, so what the benefit of Evernote is, you can do things like using it to connect to these maps. You can take pictures, and it shoves it into a document on Evernote. You can then go in and download it to your desktop or your PC. The key element is that there's these tags that are up here that you can actually--it's like doing hashtagging on Twitter or Facebook, whatever. But the key is these notebooks. You can categorize things by notebooks, or folders, if you will, and then in subgroupings. So this particular notebook is my Elliott family. So you can see the tags over here, but this is actually sorting all notebooks. This is just the Elliott notebook. So there is lovely Pierre, or Justin. Look at him. Handsome. Anyway, so this is just my recent research around them because I'm trying to track them back to Scotland. So when I was at the Allen County library, actually somebody had this map saved, and they'd highlighted their own family. So through Evernote, the higher version--so I had the premium version--I was able to take their highlights off and I put my highlights on. So those are my families that are noted there. The two yellow ones are related to each other, and the turquoise ones are related to each other. So the benefit of using an app like this is that when I'm at a research facility, I can actually pull some of this stuff up and see it so that I can use the hints in it to get the next level. OK. So notebook organization, using it for these kind of tags that help you to find ways to connect notebooks and people and relatives with each other. So you see all my tags going down the side, and periodically I revise those so that some of the tags move into other notebooks, just to keep myself organized. Because you know how it is, right? You get up to 200 some ancestors; now it gets really confusing very, very fast.

This is from Dick Eastman, God bless him. If you don't know about Dick Eastman's blog and the work he does in sharing resources with us, this is actually from his blog, by permission from him. It's copyrighted. Don't take a picture, because that's Dick's stuff. You have to get permission from Dick. But these are just some of the other--I can't go through all of these apps with you today. So a lot of the companies are here in the expo hall. I know Legacy is here. I don't know how they pronounce it--Heredis? Does somebody know? Is that pronounced Heredis? All right, whatever. But anyway, they're all here somewhere, and there are really more. So if you go to and sign up for Dick Eastwood's free blog posts, he periodically updates this stuff. And he often does "Top 10 Mobile Technologies for 2018" and things like that. You have to pay to get more technology detail from him, but the free blog posts are remarkably cool. And you can at least read a significant amount of content before you'd have to pay for any more detail. The Family Tree Magazine also posts a lot about mobile apps. They often do a top 10 list at the end or the beginning of the year, and the idea of keeping up on the technology, because this is moving so fast. For all I know--like, I got this from Dick. I did this presentation in October back in Michigan, so this is probably even out of date. So it's moving fast. There's more going on here than I could even cover. And I've been going to some of the mobile technology classes, so I need to update my presentation too, just since this week. So a lot to keep in mind. So here's his website. You can take a picture of that if you want it. Lisa Louise Cooke is here with a booth. If you haven't gotten into her podcasts, she does some really good stuff. She has a book on Evernote for genealogists, Google for genealogists, all of that stuff. She's done some wonderful classes about these technologies, but that's Dick's mobile app handout that I got his permission to get some stuff from. But he's awesome. He's here somewhere. Are you in the room, Dick? Maybe not. OK. He knew I was going to be using this, so he's probably off somewhere. Let's see. How much time do I have left? What are we doing here, Nakia? [INAUDIBLE] OK, good. OK. So I guess, probably, I'll just offer and then we'll move to doing some questions. But you have so much power to find your ancestors now. You have DNA to help you link to cousins. So to the point of the way I began the workshop--that we have more power at our fingertips than all of the generations before us, we can collect around the globe, to my example of my relative in Poland in the village of my grandmother. We can connect here at RootsTech through apps that we have right here. The question is, what will you do with it?

I'll ask you to do an evaluation of me so that I have feedback from this session. This is a screenshot of the app on the RootsTech site. If you could go to the part where the clipboard is, you can write your evaluation. I'd really appreciate it. And I'll put up this, and we can actually have more time for questions. So Nakia's going to help me out and kind of cut me off, but we want to have any of your questions, potentially, on the recording so that we might be able to help somebody else. So anybody that wants to ask a question, I'll repeat it so everybody can hear it, but then we'll work on getting you an answer. So I saw your hand first, ma'am. Are you recommending that [INAUDIBLE] online website that has apps--are you recommending to us we download every one of those onto our [INAUDIBLE]? Yeah. Simple. Yeah. If you have all the apps on your phone, which I do--Nakia's got my phone. She's been taking pictures for me, God bless you. If you download all the other apps, you've got all this power walking around with you, right? So yes, I am advocating you do it. Most of our cell phones have enough memory and enough power that you can have all those on your phone, and they're not operating in the background unless you open them. So yes, I'm recommending you download all of them. And yes, some of them maybe you can't afford, but download whatever's free. Yes. Sir? The photograph he was about to take a picture of-- Should I go back to it? Yeah, if he's using it for his personal use, he's not violating any copyright laws. Would that be correct? Well, so there's yes and no. So if you're taking pictures of my slide, I own the copyright. So yes, you're violating my copyright if you take a picture, unless I give you permission, which I did for some of the slides, right? Because for some of us, we put in lots of hours on these slides. And if you're taking those from us, using them in a genealogical society, you've literally taken money and my research for free. Right, but if you're using it for your personal cell? You're taking stuff from me for free, and I make a living at this. I mean to say it kind of straightforward; I created these slides over hours, so yeah. Whenever we take a picture of a presenter's side without their permission, we've taken something from them of value. So yeah. But yeah, I mean, when I say, "Yeah, you're welcome to take a picture of that," please do. Yes, ma'am? On Evernote, you gave the example, you showed the map, and you said you actually were able to go change the [INAUDIBLE]. Is that really technical? Is there [INAUDIBLE]? Did you just take a picture right there and then upload it, and then the system let you change that? OK, so let me repeat her question. Her question was about Evernote and about the map. And I said that it was highlighted, and then I took a picture of it, and then I could take the highlighting off and put my own in. That's part of the premium version of Evernote. It's not the free version. But Evernote in the free version, I could take a picture of that map with the highlighting that somebody else did. So it was something that somebody submitted to the Allen County library from their own collection, so they were offering it up. So I took a picture of it, and then when I got home, through Evernote, I could take that highlighting off in the premium version and put highlighting back on it in the premium version. In the free version, what you would have is the picture that the person had highlighted. You could download it to your computer, and probably through other computer tools, you could take that highlighting out. Yeah. Makes sense, but thank you for asking that. What other questions? Oh, come on, really? OK, so the next person who wants to present, come on up. We'll walk you through. Maybe not, right? There's really so much technical stuff in this. I really want to help you. [INAUDIBLE] and I thought I'd just share [INAUDIBLE] my son [INAUDIBLE] BillionGraves, and we discovered a part in BillionGraves' app where you take the picture and they have this little button that says Magic. And you click the Magic button, and you can verbally give information. You don't have to type it in [INAUDIBLE].. I didn't know that. OK, so she's sharing, if you can't hear her, that on BillionGraves, there's a button on there that says Magic. So when you take a picture of the grave is when that happens, and the magic part of it is, you verbally speak what the information is about that site. So I didn't know about that. Thank you. I'm going to go check that out, yeah. Because I'm going to get my grandfather's gravesite up on BillionGraves, right? Because he's not there right now. So he's in Find A Grave, so I'll go and get that picture and upload it. OK, other questions? We're done? You're probably fatigued. How many of you have been here since Wednesday? God bless you. The last day, right? OK. All right, so we'll end early, but anybody that wants to come up and ask a question--yes, sir? [INAUDIBLE] for example, how to use it? You want me to go back to it? So other examples of how to use it? [INAUDIBLE] Well, so let's let people go. Anybody that wants to stay for a discussion about Evernote, I'll just stay up here. We don't have to immediately vacate the room. And thank you all for coming. Please do that evaluation.